S1 E11-We’re All Just Doing Our Best with Jessica Weaver and Ilissa Goman

In this episode, Jess is back with Ilissa Goman, who is the owner of ILISSA & Co and the Creative Director of JessicaWeaver.com & WWB. Ilissa and Jess discuss triggers and how those can differ for everyone. She also gets into how you can make the best out of difficult situations you may be going through. Ilissa stresses the importance of living your most authentic life and not allowing yourself to avoid difficult emotions. They also discuss the importance of dealing with trauma on not only a conscious but also a subconscious level. They get into the idea of human design and how that can impact you and your everyday life.


  • Its vital to realize what your triggers are and how to deal with them
  • Its important not to live in the land of numb 
  • Staying aligned with your own values is necessary to be successful in life
  • Vision boards are a great way to keep yourself focused and in the right mindset

Contact our guest:

Guest’s Website: Ilissaandco.com


Guest’s Email: ilissa@ilissaandco.com


Jessica Weaver 0:02
Hello money queens. Hello listeners. Welcome to women behind the millions. I am your host, Jessica Weaver. And we have with us our creative director, owner and founder of Ilissa & Co, Ilissa Goman. Welcome to the show again, Ilissa. I love talking. I love talking. Yes, we had an event happen at the woman’s wealth boutique and our voice memos back and forth. I finally said, this needs to be a podcast episode. Because if we’re going through it, millions, billions of women are going through it at the same time. And it’s all around claiming your power. And then once you claim it, standing in that power and not letting any triggers, insecurities, falter you, make your crown slip off of your head, make you feel like you’re that little girl being quiet and hushed in a corner again. So I’m so excited for this episode. It’s perfectly timed with it. And I know Ilissa, you have a story when it comes to, you know, these different triggering events. And let’s just talk about like, what is a trigger?

Ilissa Goman 1:15
Yeah, I mean, I think it really can almost be anything for anybody. You know, it depends on everything that’s happened in your life. So, you know, I when it comes to triggers for me, I think it’s all about understanding that one- I’ve been triggered, right that like you take the minute to realize, like, oh, I might be reacting to something. And, you know, how can I just take a pause before I react back? Right? And then giving yourself some grace around it that you know, things happen? So, yeah

Jessica Weaver 1:49
Yes, acknowledging that you have been triggered, I’m acting out for a reason this isn’t normal. I think we can all put ourselves in those shoes, right? If I’m, I’m yelling at my kids. And is that a typical reaction for them? Okay, it’s not my kid, something else happened. And it’s almost I remember reading a book and talking about poison. It’s like when somebody spits poison on you by telling you, you can’t do this. You can’t accomplish this. You’re not smart enough. Pretty enough. You’re too young. Whatever it is, right? They just put that poison and spewed on you. Yeah. And now you’re stuck getting slimed, getting poisoned. And that reaction is us trying to get it out or on to somebody else. Because it doesn’t feel good to sit in it. It doesn’t feel good. It’s poison, right? It’s gonna slowly eat away at us. Yeah. But then there are these casualties, these people around us who get the poison spewed on to them. So you’re right. It’s kind of taking that moment. Oh, I just got slimed on. Yeah. How am I going to clean this up? Without another chain? Another person being received on the receiving end of it?

Ilissa Goman 3:02
Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, you know, I think too like, you mentioned something really important there that, like, you have to stop and feel these things, right? Like, I’m a huge advocate of like, not living in I call it like the land of numb, right. Like, you have to recognize that like, okay, this happened, and it was probably really shitty that it happened. But what what am I getting out of this? Right? Like, what’s the lesson? And how can I best serve myself? And you know, possibly others out of it? So

Jessica Weaver 3:35
That’s a great point. Yeah. What is the lesson to be learned? I, I’m a strong believer that life gives us a repeated lesson. Until we fully learn it and allow ourselves to move past it. I think sometimes we don’t allow ourselves to move past it, because we just, this is what I deserve. This is what I’m used to. Mm hmm. And watching a video this morning, they go you cannot focus on what you’re used to. Absolutely, what we’re used to is what we’ve settled for, or what we subconsciously limits we subconsciously placed on ourselves, and just kind of sitting in there. But feeling the emotions. Depression is when we suppress those emotions. And as you call and you have this amazing map of the land of numb, and it’s in your book that’s coming out later this year, which is Incredible. The girl at the gas station story. What was your land of numb? What did it look like feel like and how long were you there for?

Ilissa Goman 4:35
Yeah, so I was there for a long time. Like I would say probably 10-15 + years. And I just, you know, I kind of described it as like living this surface level life, right? Where I would numb out in kind of these stagnant surface level relationships, right? And where like, you didn’t have to go deep, you didn’t have to be authentic. You just were like, people pleasing, right? You were like going with the flow and people pleasing. And, you know, serving others, but not taking care of yourself. And so, you know, I think a huge part of it is, you know, having that authentic community. And so that way, you’re surrounded by it, right? It’s a constant reminder of of these people already love me. And you know, so I can just be myself. And you know, you. It’s an energy, right, like, it just flows back and forth. So energy, yes, yeah. Good. Yeah,

Jessica Weaver 5:39
You’re right. Having that community as you already said before, what’s the lesson to be learned? So I’m so grateful for you and our community, because we’ll go through these moments where, yeah shit happens, something hits the fan, right? And you’re now having to put everything back in alignment. There’s that disruptive energy or force that comes into play, and we’ll we’ll voice memo or talk to each other back and forth, though, what did I learn from this piece? And when I’m able to say it to somebody, I feel there’s so much more accountability and power behind it. And talking it through in a way that’s productive instead of continuing to spiral. And feeling bad was like, Okay, I feel this way. I’ve learned this, how are we going to do right by it? How are we going to better do better? Maybe even profit from it.

Ilissa Goman 6:31
Yeah, yeah. Well, I think too, that goes back to making sure you’re in alignment, you know, with yourself and your values, and what’s important to you, and, you know, in a situation like the company, like, you know, is it in alignment? And if it’s not, it’s not just this moment it’s going to disrupt, that you know it’s really gonna throw things off. You know, if you keep allowing it to continue, so, yes, yes.

Jessica Weaver 7:01
I’ve noticed whenever we’ve had that disrupting energy, we’ll call when the wrong person who’s not in alignment with our values, and that’s so important. They come in to work on the team or to join the firm, in some aspects, even a client, and it throws all the energy off, as you said, and they really are an energy bleed. It’s like a leaf. Yeah. And it’s going to affect every area of your business. If somebody’s scarcity minded in the business, even if it’s just time, money, relationships, they become competitive. They they’re ego driven. They’re not in this land of abundance, and it throws it off kilter.

Ilissa Goman 7:42
Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah.

Jessica Weaver 7:45
So have your relationships changed as you left the land of numb we’ll call it.

Ilissa Goman 7:51
Yeah, yeah. Absolutely.Yeah, no, I think, um, you know, I think not even just my, you know, friend relationships, but also my family relationships have also really changed. And, you know, I think that makes a huge difference. Because, like, when you decide to be like, the cycle breaker, like, it impacts everybody, right? It’s not just you, but like, you’re the brave person who stepped forward, and it kind of gives permission to the other people around you to do the same. And really, you know, like I said, like, showing up in that authentic energy. It just, it draws in more authenticity, right? And it allows people to be themselves too. So, you know, it really just leads to more abundance for everyone you know, all around you. So..

Jessica Weaver 8:47
The cycle breaker, is that the name of the next book for you? Because I think we need to trademark that slogan, the cycle breaker. Being that pioneer, that’s a powerful word. Or how did you get yourself out of the land of Numb? Yeah. It’s, it’s not like we can all picture ourselves even just taking a moment we can all picture that moment in our life where you felt so utterly stuck, nothing’s working for you. You just keep failing. You’re kind of at that point where now what? Now what’s gonna fall, now what’s gonna fail? Whats gonna crumble. That rock bottom feeling, that low energy, low emotions.

Ilissa Goman 9:33
Yeah. And I mean, you know, you and I have talked about this where, you know, you get stuck in kind of this like victim mentality where you’re like, I’m trying everything, but nothing is working. Why isn’t it my turn yet? And, you know, for me, I got to that, you know, I was in that part for a while. And then I just had this kind of moment where this thing had happened. And I just didn’t want to be here anymore, right like that I just was done. And so that was my rock bottom moment, like I had to, I had to hit rock bottom to, you know, go up. And you know, I was just talking to my book coach about this and was like she was like, Well, so what happened? I’m like, I went to one therapy session and turns out therapy is not for me, very triggering, right? I was like, here’s all of my stuff. And she was like, well, you’re like an addict, right? Like, you’re in this addiction to these, like surface level relationships. And I was like, Oh, this is making a lot of sense. And, you know, I went on to, you know, basically just self help myself, through all of these things that kind of came up, right, where I realized I was, you know, dealing with the after effects of a lot of deep trauma that I went through. And, you know, it’s not always this surface level stuff that you you think about, like, for a long time, I was like, Yeah, I forgave the person that did this to me. So I’m, I’m healed, right? Like, it’s, I’m fine, everything is fine. And it was not fine. You know, I was dealing with that addiction level, um, and, you know, depression and anxiety and like, you know, just, like anxious attachment to not just people like, you know, in a in a codependent way. But I think to like my work, right, where, you know, I really was, like, if I’m not doing this, like, I don’t want to say bare minimum stuff, because my work has always been amazing. But I just didn’t understand my worth behind it. And, you know, maybe that’s the key point is that, like, if you don’t understand your worth, like, it’s, it’s not gonna go up, right? Like, you’re just going to be stuck. So,

Jessica Weaver 11:52
yeah, yeah. Yeah, I remember you talking about that therapist, that therapy session, and it was like a gut punch, a trigger thing. And yeah, there was a reason you were in that office, I’m gonna say, and it got the ball rolling. This is not how I want to feel anymore. Yeah. And I think that’s when you get hit with that deep trigger it’s eye opening. And it’s always it’s your choice, you can allow that old story, which is the trigger to continue to play out and take control over your circumstances. Or you can choose differently this time.

Ilissa Goman 12:32
Yeah, you’re, you’re in charge of the decision every time. Like you just get to decide. And that’s really what it is. That’s the power, the power, right? Every time you decide, yeah,

Jessica Weaver 12:44
yeah. It’s very interesting to me, as I meet with different, you know, healers, therapists, meditation coaches, hypnotherapist, and the there’s so much trauma that we’re even born with. Yeah, that is passed on to us from previous generations. And, as you said, you know, physical, emotional, sexual abuse usually happens with each generation until somebody like you, that cycle breaker, decides to stop, right? Instead, move last week, we’re interviewing a woman Maruxa, who’s a big like, her great grandmother left a country by herself because of the abuse at home. And she didn’t realize it back then. But she stopped that cycle for all the next generations to come.

Ilissa Goman 13:34
Yeah, yeah, it’s huge and powerful. And, you know, I think something, you know else that you and I talked about too, is like, when you can kind of surface level identify, like, that the trauma has happened, and where you’re at in this level, but then also, you know, that there’s this inner level, right? Where like, you might be like, you know, I come across very confident a lot of the times, right, and I can talk all day on Zoom and teach classes on Zoom. But when I’m in front of people, I’m like – right- Total introvert. Last year, with pink fix day, I thought about just like, leaving, I was like, I’ll just get in my car and go, like, I don’t need to do this talk. Like, she’s gonna fire me, it is what it is. It was a big anxiety thing. But um, you know, it’s like one thing to say, I’m confident and be able to show up that way. But then, you know, like, in the back of your mind too a lot of times, like, you’re not always confident, like I’m not always confident, and you know, it’s, there’s those two levels to it. And so you really have to kind of deal with, you know, problems and issues and traumas. And both of those levels, right. It’s like the conscious and the subconscious. And it’s a it’s a process.

Jessica Weaver 14:54
Yes. And I know some of the work that you’ve done, that I’ve done that helps with the subconscious, because that’s where all the emotions, the triggers lie, and we don’t. That’s what’s scary is that we don’t even know they’re there until they’re triggered. Right? Absolutely. And yeah, that’s why it’s so important to do like we do meditations all the time that will open up the subconscious. You’ve done hypnotherapy with different coaches, as well. I’ve done that too. Different ways to tap into that subconscious. Doing mantras, positive affirmations, repeatedly, will help to reprogram as well. Yeah, yeah. Doing the journal work. I was just doing journal work on, you know, the areas of my money that I struggle with. Yeah. And it was eye opening, seeing the common pieces behind all of them. One can be business related. One can be personal, but it’s still the same underlying piece. Yeah, and a big one for me was shying away from responsibility. Because my, my trigger my story that I always would tell myself is that to have a big corporation, a big platform enterprise is too much responsibility, right, earning that amount of money is so much responsibility. Something bad’s gonna happen. Right? Something right, we’re just in the news. We have Silicon Valley Bank, having a huge issue. Yeah, right now and then. And because I have that programming in me, my mind is constantly gonna draw to articles, like SVP bank going under, Lehman Brothers, anything that’s going to reaffirm that belief. That’s why it’s so critical to reprogram,we call it right the RAS RAS of our mind so we can find better stories. To fix those triggers for it

Ilissa Goman 16:52
Yeah. Yeah. And I think something too, that is starting to get more talked about is kind of like toxic positivity, right? Where, like, you’re not, if you don’t, you don’t want to be like, super positive all the time, just to be positive, right? Like, you have to look at the positive spin on things, but decide kind of how you’re reacting to those. It’s not just like, I don’t know how to describe this, like,

Jessica Weaver 17:18
it’s like, blissful avoidance of anything, right. Or taking action.

Ilissa Goman 17:23
Yeah, yeah. It’s like, not just like, oh, this happy quote is gonna fix my life. Like, no, you had trauma, you need to build on that. Right? Right. Right. Like, you can’t just like, you know, like that surface level mindset work, like, you can’t just be like, it’s gonna be great. Like, I can’t wake up every day and be like, it’s gonna be great. Like, if I don’t have milk in my fridge, right? Like that, you know, kind of, kind of stuff. So, but you have to work you have to work on the deep work and do the deep work to be able to come from you know, that positive place and, and be able to live in it and benefit from it. So

Jessica Weaver 17:29
You bring up a great point. And I wanted to bring this up, too, because I know you are very big into human design. Yeah. And, yeah, as I do a daily Money practice every morning, and you’ve been in my office, you know, I’m meditating, I’m doing my journal work and stuff.

Ilissa Goman 18:13
she’s like, she does it. She doesn’t just talk about it, she does it,

Jessica Weaver 18:17
I preach about it, I do it. And the only reason I preach about is because I’ve seen huge changes like for you, for me, for our team, our advisors, opening us up to so much more growth for it. But there are days and mornings where I don’t have the energy to do it. I don’t have the emotions to do it. And you should not. You should not try to manifest when you’re in those low energy, low emotion states. Interesting. Because you’re just gonna attract how you’re feeling right? You can’t fake it with your energy. And it’s not a bad thing. Contrast is a good thing in our worlds. Because when you are at that rock bottom, you’re programming your mind to realize this is not what I want. Yeah, now you’re filtering through and most of the time we have to go through what we don’t want to see what we do want with it. And I learned that with my own human design, I am an energetic pulse. So my energy is on or its off and my emotions go up and down. And there are times when my energetic level is my pulse is off. And my emotions are very low. Yep. And I need to know how to better balance out my schedule, my day my opportunities when I write based on those two huge factors and how I’m designed and I always thought that I’m doing it wrong. Because I have to be so excited about my work all the time. I’m doing it nonstop in order to be profitable, but that’s just not how my makeup is. Yeah, exactly. For you , how has human design helped you work more efficiently, filter through those highs and the lows as well?

Ilissa Goman 19:58
Oh my gosh, so much such These topics so, so I’m a projector, right? And so that basically means that like, I need to wait for it’s called Waiting for the invitation, right for someone for my energy to attract the right people. So for me, I need to show up authentically, because that’s going to bring in the right people, right? So, if I am, I’m a huge helper, right? I love helping everybody I’m totally cool with it doesn’t. You just ask me and I will help you. She does, and I can. And so but if, if you don’t ask me for help, but I give you help, and then you don’t use it, right? Or even if you ask me for it, but then you just ignore what I asked you to when you did something else, right? It leaves like a bitterness, right? That’s the like the shadow of me. And so that’s why it’s really important for me, though, to stay in alignment, because like, if I’m attracting the wrong customers, right? So for a long time, I was pricing my work way underneath what it should be right? And it attracts the wrong people, they attract needy people, it attracts people who don’t value your work. So they don’t take you seriously. Right. And the advantage of you, right? So, you know, it leaves me with all this resentment. And because I’m like, I don’t know why you’re not valuing me. So, you know, it’s, it’s a huge, huge thing. But human design is just, it’s incredible. But it opened up so much for me, because then I was able to come from it from like, A, I speak from a place of power now, like, what I have is valuable. And even going back like you and I just went to a conference together. And the woman on stage, who was their keynote speaker gave a great presentation, but everything in the presentation, I was like, I know that, like I could be doing that. Right? Like, why am I not doing that? So, you know, it was like, just identifying, like, where am I playing small. But yeah, the Human Design piece is huge. I highly recommend everyone goes and finds what their human design is. And then looking up too, it’s called your gene keys. And that’s another eye opener, right? It’s going to tell you all about different alignments for you and how you best work and you know, the things the way you like to work and you know, it’s just mind blowing. How accurate is good it is so, yeah,

Jessica Weaver 22:29
it’s like getting you know, we’re, we’re at school, we’re stuck in a certain box of how we’re supposed to learn how we’re supposed to test and score ourselves. But to me the gene keys, the Enneagram we talk about a lot and then the human design. It’s a it’s allowing yourself to accept who you are, how you learn, how you work, how you do relationships, emotions, yeah. Energy. And instead of feeling like I’m not fitting into the mold, so I must be a failure. I’m something must be wrong with me. It’s never gonna happen. Right? Taking you out of that box and just allow you as you keep saying, just to be authentically, you. Yeah, I feel when we’re in that box lets talk about impostor syndrome. Yeah, I don’t know if men deal with this. But women I feel like an impostor probably at least once a day. Oh, yeah. As a mom as a wife, like who gave me two kids? Who gave me this house to run? I don’t know how to run a house. When did I step into this adulting role? And I feel my inner child being like, I mean, I’m having a tantrum. Really hungover from all this adulting please give me some tender loving care. But you know, when we’re stuck in that box of how we’re supposed to operate, think, feel, do life, you can very much feel like an imposter in this world. That’s triggering in itself. You know, us always wanting to belong and feel accepted.

Ilissa Goman 22:29
Yeah. Yeah.

Jessica Weaver 22:48
Have you ever dealt with impostor syndrome?

Ilissa Goman 24:08
Everyday, like you said.

Jessica Weaver 24:09
I strongly feel like this is a feminine trait because we don’t want a positive thing.

Ilissa Goman 24:18
Right, right. Well, it’s interesting to like, I, I teach a business class, for this, for the sleep school that I, in my previous life was a part of, and I still do, but um, and every time I teach the class, I’m always nervous, right? Like, I know my stuff. I teach the class, I bring amazing, like resources to the class all kinds of trainings for them. And every time I get on the class, I’m like, Oh, I hope they like this material. And I hope it’s helpful and, like you, you’re still nervous. Right? And but you know, last week I got an email from one of the students in this round and she was like, This is amazing, this is so helpful, like, I am so glad that you taught this class for us. And I was like, yes. Killing it. So, you know, it’s, it’s all of that. But, you know, again, going back to that alignment, like, where do you feel your best, right? Like you want to align yourself to those situations. And yes, you know, break out of that box and do that, you know, we talk about all the time, like doing the brave things, right? Go big or go home. And I think too, like, it’s not like it’s for ambitious people like us, right? If you’re like, I’m okay, where I am, like, by no means feel you have to go big or go home. But for us its very motivating.

Jessica Weaver 25:46
Everybody’s big or go home version is different, right? Everybody’s version of success is different. So getting clarity over that first and foremost.

Ilissa Goman 25:54
Yes, yes. We always joke right that like you were like, Oh, should you open an IRA? And I was like, Yeah, I don’t know what that is. But go for it.

Jessica Weaver 26:02
You want to do podcasts? Yes. We don’t know how to do that. We’ll figure it out. We’re gonna do it. Yeah. I want to ask you, did you save that email from the student?

Ilissa Goman 26:13
Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Jessica Weaver 26:14
Good. Because this is what I’ve learned from my human design coach back in the day was I need to and I don’t do this. I should regularly read I do keep them different emails, notes people send you.

Ilissa Goman 26:29
Yeah, yeah.

Jessica Weaver 26:30
That reaffirm your value and your power. And to do especially for me, it was my energetic lows and emotional lows. To do that the for those reminders.

Ilissa Goman 26:43
Yeah. Yeah, I was just thinking too when you said that, that, you know, like we did a class this past December for the advisors about creating a vision board. But part of that is that I use my vision board as part of my computer screen background. And you know, to add in some of those little love notes would be like a nice little touch, right, like screenshot and then then add them as a daily daily reminder. So,

Jessica Weaver 27:08
yes, we should give ourselves some love notes. Yeah, loving for it. I just had huge impostor syndrome at that conference, and I speaking onstage in front of 500 people 80% were men. Yep. Here I was. And I went upstairs with my husband to get changed into my hot pink suit, sparkly sneakers, platform sneakers on putting on the suit, and I looked at myself in the mirror, and he read my face right away. He goes, What’s wrong? And I’m even getting nervous thinking about it. I feel like such an impostor right now. Because we just had breakfast with one of the other elevate coaches and his success, the amount that he’s been able to do in his career, and he was considerably older than myself, probably 30 years older than me. But the success he’s had, I’m like, Who am I, to get on stage with him? And my husband goes to me, Well, what’s imposter syndrome? You never felt this way? And I’m sure he has to a degree. But you know, one thing I think women have going for us is that we are openly talking about these things. Thats the first step to change. Yeah. When I got down into the conference room, and I’m looking around the Sea of men in gray and navy, and here I am in pink. And you know I said that any one of them could be interchanged, because they’re all in the box. They’re in the financial advisor box. This is how I should look, operate, market myself, right? And so I got up on stage and instead of saying I’m a financial advisor, I said I’m an owner of a multimedia firm. Because we are doing things so differently. So I felt the impostor syndrome and I decided I’m going to show up in what makes me authentic. Yeah, what makes me me and what thats what makes us different, being yes a financial advisory firm at the woman’s wealth boutique, follow us on Instagram at woman’s wealth boutique. But also having publishing books, magazines, podcasts, and now our events our speakers Summit. Things like that is is so different. So you know I encourage all of you ladies, when you do feel like an imposter go back read those love notes from other people to you. And write your own love notes and write what makes you authentically you, and different, because that’s what the world needs to know who you know at this is spring something literally this is straight from God. Hold on. Wait, see here this because I thought this is amazing. I read once read a book and the author Amanda Francis. Yeah. Yeah, she goes embrace your weaknesses. She wrote even I’m lazy. And that’s an amazing thing because it makes me a more efficient business owner, I’m going to automate things, I’m going to repurpose things. I don’t have to recreate the wheel time and time again. But this is right from the Bible from Corinthians, My grace is sufficient for you, for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Give all your weaknesses, failings and mistakes to the Lord Jesus and see him transform your weaknesses into strengths. So whenever I feel like a failure, or an impostor, or I just dont have energy to do something, seeing little quotes like that, and knowing that, wow, my weaknesses are my strength. Hmm, that is a huge mindset shift, for me. What helps you get over the imposter syndrome Ilissa?

Ilissa Goman 30:49
I think you know, again, almost like you said, like, knowing my human design, right? So like, as a projector, I need naps.

Jessica Weaver 31:00
Right, why have we been so programmed that after age three or four, no more naps are needed?

Ilissa Goman 31:06
Yes. Yes. Like my, I honor my creativity, energy too. You know, my creative energy where I am not on all the time. You know, there’s a really interesting book. And I forget what the name of it is, but it’s by Kate Northrup, and she talks about how like a woman’s cycle is a 28 day cycle, right? Your energy is not, a man’s is 24 hours. And a woman’s like every week is gonna be a different energy level. And very, very interesting there. Yeah, less Do less by Kate Northrup. And that was a huge game changer for me. And I think too the other book, I recommend all the time. And I actually just sent this to one of our advisors is Playing Big by Tara Moore. And it’s just about like, stepping into your power, right? Like I make this a quick conversation. But I had this, I was reading the book, and was talking with a friend a few years ago while I was reading the book, and she was like, running by a social media campaign she had for this like national company she was working for. And she was like, Do you think this is a good idea? Or do you have any ideas around this? And I was like, Well, I think you could do this, this and this. But if you don’t like it, like don’t worry about using it. Like I don’t know, if you’ll let you know if you don’t it’s like why am I saying that?

Jessica Weaver 32:25
Yeah, we do tend to say that right?

Ilissa Goman 32:28
Is Yeah, you dumb down your ideas

Jessica Weaver 32:33
Setting yourself for rejection before the rejection even comes.

Ilissa Goman 32:35
Right, Right? You’re just like, my ideas aren’t valid. It’s Don’t worry. If you don’t like it, don’t worry about it. Like, why wouldn’t I think like my ideas were valued? So it’s, you know, knowing those kinds of nuances that are running through your head, and you know, how are you expressing those because you’re, you’re drawing in that energy, right? If I’m already telling you like, my idea isn’t valid, why would you accept it? So

Jessica Weaver 33:02
Yeah, already combating your own? Yes. On top of it, you’re right. We do tend to make up excuses like that. Or we’re nervous about silence, or I present an offer their silent and yeah, you’re gonna say, oh, but or you’ll make up an excuse, or you try to throw something in, instead of letting that person fully take it in, think on it. Yeah, yes, you are. 100% we do do that. So Oh, good books. Yeah. Yeah. Yes, we do need to get ourselves outside of the box more. Yeah. Let’s, let’s do a quick recap. There’s something about really healing the subconscious. Yes, of these triggers that lurk. We don’t even know they’re there until one gets hit. Yeah. And then there’s that opportunity to heal and cut the chain from it happening again and again, and again. Talking about the imposter syndrome and the love notes, testimonials to reread, understanding as you can your cycle, your human design or your gene key where’s your makeup, because that’s how we’re showing up in this world. And instead of it being enertia working against you, you can have a better workflow, relationship flow, more healthy boundaries. We hear that word a lot lately, especially in the social media space, healthy boundaries, with relationships with your time, with your money, ladies, things like that. But I’m glad we’re able to have this conversation. Yeah. And getting it out because I feel we talked about this a lot. You and me and if we’re dealing with it on a regular basis, other women are too. Any last words Ilissa for our Money Queens listening?

Ilissa Goman 34:47
Stay aligned, stay aligned. Yeah.

Jessica Weaver 34:51
Stay aligned. We do have a checklist that reminds me the prosperity checklist on Jessica weaver.com. That’s all about the key questions. It’s a quick assessment And I highly recommend that before any sales call any opportunities, any speaking engagements to fully connect and align and connecting your heart to the heart of the people you’re about to encounter before it , we forgot about that checklist, Right? I know, there are things that we built for it. So you can check that out. Jessica weaver.com. Quick shout out for it. But thank you, Ilissa, our creative director for being on here.

Ilissa Goman 35:24
Yeah, thank you for having me.

Jessica Weaver 35:25
You know if we can help other women to not have to hit their rock bottom or stay in the land of Numb. Yeah, you get them claiming their power and claiming it quicker. It’s amazing what we’re gonna be able to do with this world. So thank you so much for being on here.

Ilissa Goman 35:38
Yeah, thanks for having me.

Jessica Weaver 35:40
Yes. Thank you to all of our listeners head over to Instagram, @ pinkfixmymoney @womenswealthboutique to see what we have going on until our next women behind the millions